Philosophical Question For Today. . .

If a tree fell on TheWoodsofJordan, would he make a sound?

Let me give you a hint. He wouldn't understand this question.

The answer, of course, is no, he wouldn't make a sound. If it's not in the Bible, Jordan wouldn't know what sound to make.

TheWoodsofJordan is my YouTube toyboy. Not that kind of toyboy. My goodness, he would never allow that. He's saving himself for marriage. Heck, he doesn't even wank any more! No, Jordan is my toy to argue with when my brain is busy with something else. One doesn't need a brain to debate Jordan because he couldn't argue himself out of a wet paper Bible.

His arguments consist of repeating the same Bible verses over and over again. When he tries to think for himself, the arguments are even sillier than the Bible verses. He uses the Bible to argue that the Bible is true. He uses the Bible to argue that the Jesus story is true. He uses the Bible to argue that God is real. Circular reasoning anyone? When someone disagrees with him, well, that's because we're not true Christians and only true Christians can understand the Bible. It's over the heads of the rest of us apparently.

Jordan's latest religious phase is Calvinism. He's gone through many phases since I've been watching his videos. However, this is the weirdest one yet. He is seriously into evangelizing. He plans on making that his life's work. However, he truly believes in predestination. As he explains it, God has predestined His select people lucky enough to be saved by His Holy Wrathfulness and the rest of us will be sent to hell for eternity. We can do nothing to get ourselves saved. I have tried, along with other people, I've noticed, to explain to Jordan that predestination makes his evangelism job redundant; however, Jordan just doesn't get it.

He claims that he needs to continue to evangelize because he doesn't know who the "elect" are. But, it doesn't matter whether or not he knows. God knows and that's all that counts. God is supposed to be in charge of making sure that His elect will find their way to heaven, whether or not they have heard the wonderous preachings of TheWoodsofJordan. Hence, Pastor Jordan is out of a job. I think that, whenever he figures this out for himself, he'll give up the predestination lark. Of course, since Jordan doesn't think for himself, we'll have to wait until he reads it in another Christian document somewhere. And until that happens. . . .

Will we be able to see the forest for TheWoodsofJordan? :-)

Banned From the Garden of Eden

Okay, not really. But I have been banned from TheWoodsofJordan, whose video on homosexuality I discussed yesterday. Yesterday, I said I didn’t really want to trash him. Today is another day.

So, today he uploaded a video to all YouTube atheists. I watched it because I am, after all, one of YouTube’s atheists. In this video, he accused all atheists of really believing in God, but we prefer living our wicked lives and we just say we’re atheists. Now, if one really does believe in God and his wrath and his tendency to send sinners to a burning pit for all eternity, do you think that one would really deny He Who Must Be Adored At All Times? I don’t think so.

Jordan (let’s call him that ‘cause its shorter) then accused all of YouTube’s atheists of going around rating Christians’ videos with 1 star, without watching them, and then leaving hate-filled and angry comments on the videos. I’m not going to say that there aren’t some atheists who do this, but I know I’m not one of them. Jordan then, for all intents and purposes, dared atheists to NOT give him a 1-star rating. This video was really all about his ratings and that was all he was whining about when he responded to people’s comments. And this after just uploading another video in which he told everyone that nothing, and he meant nothing, should come before God. Well, clearly, dear Jordan has placed his ratings above God.

He also asked us why his videos would bother us. He is only providing his beliefs after all. Can’t we all just get along? (He actually said that.) Well, apparently, we can’t all just get along because I was banned for leaving a comment. It wasn’t hate-filled and it wasn’t angry. I admit I said I was getting somewhat pissed off with him, but that’s hardly angry. My comment was:

“The first of your videos I've ever watched was Homosexuality is a Sin and I am fairly sure that I didn't rate it at all. So, that theory of yours is shot. In fact, I thought you were a rather peaceful guy. Now, however, after continually ignoring my legitimate question regarding proof, I'm kind of pissed off with you, but I still haven't rated your videos. Now, you claim to know the minds of atheists better than we do. No, I don't know there is a God and neither do you; otherwise you'd prove it.”

To which he responded:

“It's a 3 star average, that means quite a few atheists have rated it 1 thus far, proving my point.”

So you see, he ignored everything else I said and focused on the rating, even though I had told him I had not rated his videos. Oh, God is going to be so angry at Jordan for putting his ratings above Him. Better pray extra-hard tonight, dear boy. You’re staring damnation in the face.

I then tried to post a response, which was:

"Did you even read what I wrote? This video was addressed to all YouTube atheists. That includes me. I said I have not rated your videos, so your point has been falsified. Not all atheists do what you are accusing them of. You ask how is speaking of your beliefs affecting me. Well, you've called me an abomination and a sinner, which I disagree with. You've also accused me of rating Christian videos and commenting out of hatred. You're wrong and you can't even acknowledge that."

But, alas, I had been banned.

What is it with these Christians that they can’t handle any kind of dissent or disagreement? That’s a rhetorical question, by the way. It seems fine to them that they can accuse others of being sinners, abominations, dishonest, hate-filled, etc. etc. But try to defend yourself and you’re banned. Something seems familiar about this situation. What could it be? Oh yeah. The Garden of Eden. They’re acting like God when Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge. Ya can’t get too smart, ya know, asking questions ‘n all. I’ve been unceremoniously chucked by a God-wannabe-thingie. Oh well, I’d rather have the knowledge. Apple anyone?

Homosexuality is a Sin. Honest - It Says So In A Very Old Book

I got involved in what passed for a discussion on a video entitled “Homosexuality is a Sin” by TheWoodsofJordan. I like this fellow’s name, by the way; it’s a peaceful sounding name. Not so “inyourface” as some Christian YouTube user names can be. He also seems like a peaceful individual, so I don’t want to trash him really. However, what happened in this discussion (or lack thereof) just calls out for me to write about it.

His video starts like this:

“I want to talk about a controversial issue in the Christian community and the world really, and that is homosexuality, and homosexuality is a sin. Now, many people out there are going to be quick to jump on this video and say, ‘You’re a bigot, you’re a racist, you’re homophobic,’ and it has nothing to do with that. God strictly says in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin and, in fact, it’s actually an abomination. If you go to Leviticus, chapter 18, and in verse 22, it says ‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.’ Clearly stated. If you just turn over a few pages in your Bible ‘til Leviticus, chapter 20, and read verse 13, it says, ‘If a man,’ and remember this is back in the Old Testament days when people were under the law and remember, we are no longer under the law. We are under the grace of Jesus Christ because he died for our sins. So, no longer are people treated this way, but nonetheless, it is still a sin. Leviticus 20:13 says, ‘If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.’ So that was back in the Old Testament under the law when God was a lot more strict and his wrath really showed upon people. Not to say that God still isn’t strict and God doesn’t pour out judgment upon people, because he does, but God decided that since no one could follow all of these laws and commandments and stuff, that He would have to send the ultimate sacrifice, which was Jesus Christ, to die for all of our sins.”

He then goes into a couple of verses in the New Testament, but I won’t bore you with those. I think you’ve got the general idea that the Bible claims that homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. So, here’s my comment posted on his video:

“Before you can convince anyone of anything by quoting from the bible, you're going to have to do 2 things:

1. Prove that God exists.
2. Prove that the bible is the word of God.

Until you can prove those two things, then your quotations are meaningless.”

Within a couple of minutes, I get a response, not from TheWoodsofJordan, but someone with the oxymoronic name of VersatileMind4Christ, who says:

“LOL You're on the wrong video then. Off topic.
Before you comment on this video. You must realize this video is targeted to people who believe in the Bible, people in the Christian community OR ANYONE who is curious to learn about the Bible.
The purpose of this video is to provide explanations of the topic of homosexuality in context to the doctrine of the Bible.
In the beginning of the video he CLEARLY says "Christian Community" and the world. LOL”

My mind said “Huh? What did she (VersatileMind) hear that I missed?” So I listened to the beginning again. He said exactly what I’ve quoted above and there is no way I can interpret that to mean his target audience was only the Christian community or anyone curious about the Bible. Besides, I thought my comment did fall within curiosity about the Bible. So I responded with:

“He says he wants to talk about a controversial issue in the Christian community and the world. How does that leave me out?”

Oxymoronic counters with:

“Exactly. If part of his target market or demographic is the Christian community. why would he have to PROVE God's existence?
Now on the "world" aspect, this video provides an explanation on homosexuality in the Bible.
It is not to prove God, it is a simple discussion. You commented a bit rude and off topic.
If you wanted a video to discuss God's existence then you need to go to a video from a youtuber on that subject.”

Well, to make this easier, here is the rest of the conversation:

orientedx4
Why is that? If someone is going to call people I care about sinners and abominations, I have the right to comment.

VersatileMind4Christ
Yes you do have a right to voice your opinion. It is the manner you did it that was a bit disrespectful lol..you distracted from the point of the video.
Do you understand what an abomination is?
This is always misunderstood.

orientedx4
Please don't speak down to me. I am not stupid. Nor am I disrespectful. In my opinion, all of your "lol's" are disrespectful.

VersatileMind4Christ
Okay. Sorry for the "lols" I acknowledge that.
On such a touchy subject people are quick to show hate towards someone simply sharing their views.
The same freedom you have to voice your opinion to others, so does he to express that homosexuality is a sin.

orientedx4
"people are quick to show hate"

Are you referring to yourself or to me with this statement? I am not feeling any hatred, so if you are referring to me, you need to stop assuming.
I agree that people have freedom to voice their opinions, but that doesn't mean that others don't have the right to voice their opposition to those opinions. That is all I'm doing. I'm not hating anyone.

VersatileMind4Christ
You're MISSING the complete purpose of this conversation. Please read my comments again.
IF you're going voice opposition, do it ON TOPIC and not rude.

orientedx4
Again, I'm not being rude. Why is it off topic to ask someone to prove that the source of their opinions is legit? In my mind, that is totally on topic. You may not like it, but it is on topic.

VersatileMind4Christ
Again...If you wanted a video to discuss God's existence then you need to go to a video from a youtuber on that subject.
Thanks for keeping this respectful. I'm done here.

orientedx4
I'm sorry that you feel you're done here. I will add, however, that I was not looking for any particular subject. I simply came upon this video and watched it. I then questioned the validity of this user's sources. He's making the claims. I would like some proof of his claims.

TheWoodsofJordan
You are asking us to prove God. This video isn't about proving God. It's about how homosexuality is a sin. If you are going to discuss something, make sure it relates to the video at least.

orientedx4
I'm sorry, but I don't see how my questions are not related to the video. Your contention is that homosexuality is a sin and you're providing God and the bible as the sources of your opinions. I'm asking you to provide proof that your sources are legit. If these sources cannot be proven as legit, then why should I believe that homosexuality is a sin? I'm not trying to be argumentative for argument's sake. I'm trying to understand the legitimacy of your sources.

VersatileMind4Christ
Thank you Jordan. My point exactly! LOL
This video isn't about proving God. It's not that difficult to understand.

TheWoodsofJordan
Just the typically argument. I am really surprised, not as much hatred as I thought.

VersatileMind4Christ
Also "people" refers to others in general. If I wanted to say YOU directly, I would have.
So I wasn't assuming and I wasn't talking about you directly.

orientedx4
But you were responding directly to me, so why all of a sudden refer to people in general?

orientedx4
Jordan, this is your wording in the description box:

This video is talking about homosexuality and how it is a sin in God's eyes. I do not hate homosexuals, but they need to recognize that what they are doing is a sin, and that they were not born this way but rather chose to be this way.

So I'm asking - why should homosexuals recognize what you're claiming if you will not back up your claims? Why did you make the video and the above statements if you refuse to discuss it? Back up your claims.
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This is somewhat of a long blog entry, but in case anyone is reading this, I wanted you to see the weirdness of the comments. So far, TheWoodsofJordan has not acknowledged by questions further. What I don’t understand is why don’t they get it? Why don’t they see that asking for proof of the legitimacy of the sources used is quite on topic? I know that they can’t provide the proof, but asking for it is still on topic. I guess they expect that homosexuals are just supposed to watch this video and say, “Yep, you’re right. I’ve been living a sinful life. I’m giving it all up because that 2000-year-old book that you said is the word of God says so. Good enough for me.”

Pardon me for using my brain to think and question! Is that a sin as well? I wonder sometimes because using their brains doesn’t seem to be something that these extra-religious people do.