Christian Love Vs. Same-Sex Marriage

Below you will find actual YouTube messages from loving Christians who follow the loving Jesus. These were made on the day California's Supreme Court upheld the ban on same-sex marriage: 

"oh come on now, take defeat humbly. Learn to accept me because I value my soul. However you too should value your soul more than a hole." [This is from a person who claims to be only against same sex marriage because the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. Sounds to me that he can't get past the sexual act rather than looking at marriage as a partnership. Hole???]

 

"I'm very glad that Prop. 8 passed!! Praise God!! No gay marriages allowed!! That means all of the gay marriages handed out a few years ago are invalid!!" [This person obviously didn't get the entire newscast. The marriages are still valid. And this is from a person we are supposed to trust to interpret the Bible correctly?]

 

"Homosexuals have the same rights as Heterosexuals. Neither can marry the same sex." [This is one of my favorite arguments. The old gays-are-asking-for-special-rights-because-we-all-have-the-right-to-marry-the-opposite-sex argument.]

 

"Gay marriage is a precursor to a violation of my rights as a Christian. Do I want my child taught in public school about married same sex couples? Thats Just the starting point of the gay agenda. Cant you see the pyramid affect it will have on society? What about all the Christian adoption agencies that closed the door in States with gay marriage fearing anti-discrimination laws? Ohhhh the pyramid affect just begins. I cant list all the negative affects it will have on society." [Yeah, look at the countries where same-sex marriage has been legal for a number of years. They're dens of iniquity. Everybody is marrying their goats. Kids are having kids. People are marrying 16 other people at once. Necrophilia abounds. Oh, the humanity!]

 

"You are in error. Here is why. You and I have the same exact right. We have the right to marry one, just one person of the opposite sex. It is also a wonderful coincidence that prop 8 agrees with Jesus preaching on a man shall marry a woman. Learn to value your soul my friend..more than a hole. [This guy couldn't be original. He had to repeat the old gays-are-asking-for-special-rights-because-we-all-have-the-right-to-marry-the-opposite-sex argument, as well as that "hole" thing again. They really are consumed with interest over that "hole" thing. I don't wish to point out to them that, as men, if they marry, they will also be marrying someone with a hole. Two holes actually. Maybe that's what's wrong! Not enough holes if men marry men. I dunno.]

 

"you faggots have been told over and over, again and again. But do you listen. NO!
Didn't think so. What makes you sick to your stomach, is the guy that dicked you in the ass last night. It's not a loss of liberty, it's a gain of "WE THE PEOPLE"." [This one was in response to someone that this guy thought was gay. Wonderful punctuation skills, don't you think?]

 

"Gays went from wanting a gay parade to have sex with animals in the park to having sex with dead people now to marriage. But now it's time for the extermination of these sick minded people." [Same guy that wrote the comment above this one. Can't you just feel the Christian love oozing out of this guy?]

 

"What is disgusting is you faggots that let a man stick you in the butt, then turn around and put it in your mouths. You are some sick minded animals." [You guessed it. Same guy as the above two quotes. Should we tell him that heterosexuals do this too?]

 

"Homosexuality is sin. The Word of God states so. It is such an abomination to God that He has taken dramatic action to insure we know it." [Different guy. I didn't know that God was sitting on the California Supreme Court. Did you?]

 

"Yes, it was a great day. Victory for us! I can't stand queers. haha" [Feel the love?]

"We one CALIFORNIA!!
We must keep up the fight!
Are morals and values are much superior to homosexuals, polygamist, pedophiles. Like history showes and repetes itself once again-they cannot survive, and will die out! Abominations and deveancy will never flourish in society and in healthy and robust civilizations. And if they do become rampant and widespread then that society will become extinct. Many ancient civilizations became perverse and extremely wicked- and now their gone!" [Can we say spell checker?]

 

"You are right! Marriage is a very sacred thing. It shouldn't be treated as a circus show.
I prayed long and hard on this. Also I don't know if you know this but New Hampsire voted too and they decided to uphold marriage between a man and a woman. So this has been a good two weeks for us (christians). And I thank God for this!! THANK GOD!!! THANK GOD!!! THANK GOD!!!" [Yeah, marriage is such a sacred thing that three-quarters of them end in divorce. But, thank God we stopped homosexuals from ruining it for us.]

 

"wow. you gay rights supporters sure are hostile" [Um, huh?]

 

Feel the love, people! Christian love for their fellow man abides. Watch out for those holes now! 

Gay Marriage is Wrong Because...So Is Incest?

I’ve been wandering through some of PastorJer777’s videos on YouTube and came across one entitled Gay Marriage is Wrong! It’s a catchy title, so I decided to hear good ol’ PastorJer’s reasons for his being against gay marriage. I figured it must have something to do with the Bible, what with Jer being a Pastor and all. I just didn’t realize that Bible stories related to hospitality and incest proved that gay marriage was wrong. Go figure, huh? I’m learning something new all the time. 

Here’s a picture of Jer. He loves driving around in his car while making his videos. He also loves hats. He even wears hats in the house while he’s making videos. Slightly weird, I know, but he does it nonetheless. 

In this video, PastorJer777 feels “inspired by the spirit to take a stand for the church concerning gay marriage.” The church should stand for what is right and gay marriage is wrong. 

Jer says, “From the beginning, it has been man and woman, not man and man or woman and woman. There is no way in the world that two men or two women can be fruitful and multiply and that is what God said to Adam and Eve in the beginning. Gay marriage is wrong. That is the truth.” 

Now, I don’t know why God told Adam and Eve that two men or two women can’t be fruitful and multiply. It’s not as if they had any choice in partners at the time. Apparently, however, it’s the truth that God told them. I think He could have held onto that speech until he created some gay people though, don’t you? 

Then, PastorJer provides some Biblical proof for his stand. “God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the sins of homosexuality. I want to read something to you in first Corinthians, chapter five. It says that it is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality is not even named among the Gentiles. That a man has his father’s wife. Now, if Paul was hot under the collar because a man had his father’s wife, what would Paul say about two men getting married or two women getting married? I think that he would say that it’s an insult to the way that God created man and woman to be. A man was found sleeping with his mother, and Paul judged it wrong and said turn that person over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that his spirit may be saved in the day of judgment.” 

I kid you not. Jer went from Sodom and Gomorrah, with no further explanation, into Paul sending someone to hell for incest. And this is his proof for gay marriage being wrong! I was awestruck. Aren't you awestruck? Okay, maybe it’s just me. So I wrote the following comment: 

“Sodom and Gomorrah was a story about hospitality, not homosexuality. The word sodomy was not in that story until the KJV [King James Version]. Then you use a story about incest being wrong to prove that homosexuality is wrong. You're arguing apples and oranges. What I find really interesting is that you use Lot's story first, which ends in incest with his daughters (but you don't mention that), and then a different story about incest. You then equate incest with homosexuality. Your argument doesn't stand up.”

But, alas, no comment back from PastorJer777.

Homosexuality is a Sin. Honest - It Says So In A Very Old Book

I got involved in what passed for a discussion on a video entitled “Homosexuality is a Sin” by TheWoodsofJordan. I like this fellow’s name, by the way; it’s a peaceful sounding name. Not so “inyourface” as some Christian YouTube user names can be. He also seems like a peaceful individual, so I don’t want to trash him really. However, what happened in this discussion (or lack thereof) just calls out for me to write about it.

His video starts like this:

“I want to talk about a controversial issue in the Christian community and the world really, and that is homosexuality, and homosexuality is a sin. Now, many people out there are going to be quick to jump on this video and say, ‘You’re a bigot, you’re a racist, you’re homophobic,’ and it has nothing to do with that. God strictly says in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin and, in fact, it’s actually an abomination. If you go to Leviticus, chapter 18, and in verse 22, it says ‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.’ Clearly stated. If you just turn over a few pages in your Bible ‘til Leviticus, chapter 20, and read verse 13, it says, ‘If a man,’ and remember this is back in the Old Testament days when people were under the law and remember, we are no longer under the law. We are under the grace of Jesus Christ because he died for our sins. So, no longer are people treated this way, but nonetheless, it is still a sin. Leviticus 20:13 says, ‘If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.’ So that was back in the Old Testament under the law when God was a lot more strict and his wrath really showed upon people. Not to say that God still isn’t strict and God doesn’t pour out judgment upon people, because he does, but God decided that since no one could follow all of these laws and commandments and stuff, that He would have to send the ultimate sacrifice, which was Jesus Christ, to die for all of our sins.”

He then goes into a couple of verses in the New Testament, but I won’t bore you with those. I think you’ve got the general idea that the Bible claims that homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. So, here’s my comment posted on his video:

“Before you can convince anyone of anything by quoting from the bible, you're going to have to do 2 things:

1. Prove that God exists.
2. Prove that the bible is the word of God.

Until you can prove those two things, then your quotations are meaningless.”

Within a couple of minutes, I get a response, not from TheWoodsofJordan, but someone with the oxymoronic name of VersatileMind4Christ, who says:

“LOL You're on the wrong video then. Off topic.
Before you comment on this video. You must realize this video is targeted to people who believe in the Bible, people in the Christian community OR ANYONE who is curious to learn about the Bible.
The purpose of this video is to provide explanations of the topic of homosexuality in context to the doctrine of the Bible.
In the beginning of the video he CLEARLY says "Christian Community" and the world. LOL”

My mind said “Huh? What did she (VersatileMind) hear that I missed?” So I listened to the beginning again. He said exactly what I’ve quoted above and there is no way I can interpret that to mean his target audience was only the Christian community or anyone curious about the Bible. Besides, I thought my comment did fall within curiosity about the Bible. So I responded with:

“He says he wants to talk about a controversial issue in the Christian community and the world. How does that leave me out?”

Oxymoronic counters with:

“Exactly. If part of his target market or demographic is the Christian community. why would he have to PROVE God's existence?
Now on the "world" aspect, this video provides an explanation on homosexuality in the Bible.
It is not to prove God, it is a simple discussion. You commented a bit rude and off topic.
If you wanted a video to discuss God's existence then you need to go to a video from a youtuber on that subject.”

Well, to make this easier, here is the rest of the conversation:

orientedx4
Why is that? If someone is going to call people I care about sinners and abominations, I have the right to comment.

VersatileMind4Christ
Yes you do have a right to voice your opinion. It is the manner you did it that was a bit disrespectful lol..you distracted from the point of the video.
Do you understand what an abomination is?
This is always misunderstood.

orientedx4
Please don't speak down to me. I am not stupid. Nor am I disrespectful. In my opinion, all of your "lol's" are disrespectful.

VersatileMind4Christ
Okay. Sorry for the "lols" I acknowledge that.
On such a touchy subject people are quick to show hate towards someone simply sharing their views.
The same freedom you have to voice your opinion to others, so does he to express that homosexuality is a sin.

orientedx4
"people are quick to show hate"

Are you referring to yourself or to me with this statement? I am not feeling any hatred, so if you are referring to me, you need to stop assuming.
I agree that people have freedom to voice their opinions, but that doesn't mean that others don't have the right to voice their opposition to those opinions. That is all I'm doing. I'm not hating anyone.

VersatileMind4Christ
You're MISSING the complete purpose of this conversation. Please read my comments again.
IF you're going voice opposition, do it ON TOPIC and not rude.

orientedx4
Again, I'm not being rude. Why is it off topic to ask someone to prove that the source of their opinions is legit? In my mind, that is totally on topic. You may not like it, but it is on topic.

VersatileMind4Christ
Again...If you wanted a video to discuss God's existence then you need to go to a video from a youtuber on that subject.
Thanks for keeping this respectful. I'm done here.

orientedx4
I'm sorry that you feel you're done here. I will add, however, that I was not looking for any particular subject. I simply came upon this video and watched it. I then questioned the validity of this user's sources. He's making the claims. I would like some proof of his claims.

TheWoodsofJordan
You are asking us to prove God. This video isn't about proving God. It's about how homosexuality is a sin. If you are going to discuss something, make sure it relates to the video at least.

orientedx4
I'm sorry, but I don't see how my questions are not related to the video. Your contention is that homosexuality is a sin and you're providing God and the bible as the sources of your opinions. I'm asking you to provide proof that your sources are legit. If these sources cannot be proven as legit, then why should I believe that homosexuality is a sin? I'm not trying to be argumentative for argument's sake. I'm trying to understand the legitimacy of your sources.

VersatileMind4Christ
Thank you Jordan. My point exactly! LOL
This video isn't about proving God. It's not that difficult to understand.

TheWoodsofJordan
Just the typically argument. I am really surprised, not as much hatred as I thought.

VersatileMind4Christ
Also "people" refers to others in general. If I wanted to say YOU directly, I would have.
So I wasn't assuming and I wasn't talking about you directly.

orientedx4
But you were responding directly to me, so why all of a sudden refer to people in general?

orientedx4
Jordan, this is your wording in the description box:

This video is talking about homosexuality and how it is a sin in God's eyes. I do not hate homosexuals, but they need to recognize that what they are doing is a sin, and that they were not born this way but rather chose to be this way.

So I'm asking - why should homosexuals recognize what you're claiming if you will not back up your claims? Why did you make the video and the above statements if you refuse to discuss it? Back up your claims.
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This is somewhat of a long blog entry, but in case anyone is reading this, I wanted you to see the weirdness of the comments. So far, TheWoodsofJordan has not acknowledged by questions further. What I don’t understand is why don’t they get it? Why don’t they see that asking for proof of the legitimacy of the sources used is quite on topic? I know that they can’t provide the proof, but asking for it is still on topic. I guess they expect that homosexuals are just supposed to watch this video and say, “Yep, you’re right. I’ve been living a sinful life. I’m giving it all up because that 2000-year-old book that you said is the word of God says so. Good enough for me.”

Pardon me for using my brain to think and question! Is that a sin as well? I wonder sometimes because using their brains doesn’t seem to be something that these extra-religious people do.

Is Gay a Gift From God?

According to EPP706 on YouTube, the answer is no. EPP is right, but for the wrong reason. There is no God. Being gay cannot be a gift from something that does not exist. However, let’s examine EPP’s reasoning, shall we?

EPP heads straight (excuse the pun) to the Bible verses that state that homosexuality is an abomination. But wait, she then states that “everyone that is born is truly a gift from God.” Hmm, maybe she thinks gays are hatched? No, she then states “What an individual does and the choices that he or she makes, now, that’s another story. That’s a whole totally different thing.” Here comes the best part, “If gay is a gift from God, then I look at it like this – murderers, rapists, molesters, robbers, thieves, they are gifts from God too. All of these individuals have one thing in common, and that is choice. All of these individuals also have another thing in common, and that is that they are being controlled by evil, demonic, diabolical spirits. Well, people who are gay chose to be gay. They chose to be gay. And some will debate me on that and say, oh, they were born that way. I don’t believe that. I never have and I never will. No little baby comes into this world saying I’m going to be gay when I grow up.” 

Well, there are a number of problems that I can see here. 

1. Everyone is a gift from God, but only if one doesn’t choose that which EPP does not agree. I mean, according to the Bible, God thought many things were abominations, but I bet you EPP wears leather and clothes woven with more than one type of fiber. She’s probably against slavery, which God and Jesus condoned. 

2. Providing no proof at all, EPP opines that being gay is a choice, and she will never waiver on this. How very open-minded of her. 

3. Gays, who harm no one, are no different than murderers, rapists, molesters, and thieves, who do harm others. Does anyone else find this as offensive as I do? 

4. There are no evil, demonic, diabolical spirits, just like there is no God. There are, however, evil diabolical people. Some religious people come to mind – not all, but some. 

5. Gay people can tell EPP what it is like to be gay. They can explain that they were born that way. Apparently, EPP knows better. She knows it’s a choice. She offers no proof though. 

6. “No little baby comes into this world saying I’m going to be gay when I grow up.” Well, they wouldn’t, would they? That would make it a choice on their part, which it isn’t. Basically, by trying to be smart, EPP tripped over her own thoughts. 

Okay, basically, I responded in EPP’s comment section as best I could within the 500 characters allowed, but I’ve received no response. No surprises there. I finally looked back at the previous comments and found the following comments by EPP706:

“Homosexuality is not natural. Sodomy is not natural. The rectum was not made for a penis to enter, only for waste to exit. That in itself is enough to know that it is not natural. 
I'm not hear to prove anything only to speak the truth. There is a big difference in people loving others and then people engaging in sexual behavior that is simply not natural.” 

I guess no one told EPP that heterosexuals can also perform sodomy and that gays can do other things than sodomy. And does this mean that lesbianism is okay? It’s not really possible to perform sodomy unless they use a contraption of some sort, which I don’t think most do. I could be wrong here. I’m sure EPP will educate me with her vast knowledge on the subject, if she ever reads this. Also note, she’s not hear [sic] to prove anything, only to speak the truth. How does she know the truth without actually researching anything beyond the Bible? 

In response to someone stating: “Can you not see your bigotry here? No one chooses to be born gay, no one chooses to be born Black, and neither category says anything about a person's character. But racists and homophobes both use the Bible to prove that gays and Blacks are bad, as they did with slavery.”

EPP wrote: “Please, don't compare being born black to being born gay, there is NO comparison. Being Gay is definitely NOT the new black and I am appalled that people have the audacity to compare being born black to being gay. I did not choose to be black and I could never change my skin color, even if I tried, it is in my DNA, but a gay person can always change and turn from the homosexual lifestyle. Enough said!” 

She’s appalled, ladies and gentlemen, at the audacity of the questioner to compare being born gay to being born black. However, EPP is quite comfortable in equating gays to murderers, rapists, molesters, and thieves. I so love the hypocrisy of it! Pot, kettle, black (no pun intended). 

Christian Hypocrisy

LuvWorkingAtHome has a new video up entitled “Being Called Uncle Tom Is a Compliment.” Luv has now read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” by Harriet Beecher Stowe and is full of praise of the book. Let me be clear right now that I, for once, happen to agree with Luv. However, what I find truly fascinating is her statement, “This book raised the awareness of the cruelty and evil of slavery.” Again, while I agree with Luv’s statement, she does not seem to realize the hypocrisy of it when one considers many of Luv’s other videos. 

Here’s an example. In her video “Elizabeth Hasselbeck Phony Christian & Star Parker Schools View on Biblical Family,” Luv ranted on about Elizabeth Hasselbeck not defending Star Parker’s views about same-sex marriage (she’s against it – surprise!). Elizabeth said she struggled with this issue because the Bible says that you love God, but you also love your neighbor. Luv chastised Elizabeth for not quoting the scriptures accurately. 

Luv states:

“You love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and body, and then you love your neighbor as yourself. You love God first though. You listen to what he said, what his opinion is, what his position on the issue is. God said homosexuality is an abomination to him. You cannot go contrary to that. You love God by following his ways. His ways are supposed to be your ways. You follow him.” 

So the first time I am somewhat proud of Elizabeth, it turns out she’s being a bad Christian, according to Luv. Go figure! However, I digress. The point I’m making is that, for LuvWorkingAtHome, the words of her ever precious Bible and God are totally accurate and should be followed where they suit Luv’s prejudices and bigotry. However, nowhere in the Bible does it condemn slavery. Nowhere does it say that slavery is evil. In fact, both God and Jesus condone slavery from one end of the book to the other. But because slavery is something that Luv is strongly against, regardless of the Bible, slavery is evil. This is called cherry picking, Luv. 

Slavery was established by decree of Almighty God. It is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation - - Jefferson Davis